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Instead of writing yesterday I spent what little free time I had (and, being a church musician, that wasn't much) working on the outline and timeline for Growing Pains. It seemed prudent to work through the numbers and iron out any careless errors to make everything match up with what I've already established in the previous parts of GP.

It involved essentially writing the (very bare bones) outline of Jack and the Doctor's shared timeline as it exists in the GP-Universe, up to the events of GP. I've been writing this character, Old!Jack, and having him reminisce so much about his relationship with the Doctor over his three thousand years of life, and I wanted to think through enough detail of their shared lives so that my writing would seem coherent when someone read the whole story in one go.

This, I find, is the biggest danger of posting a WIP in terms of the writing itself, the crafting of the story. You, yourself, can lose track of what you're writing when there are days or weeks in between writing sessions. Sometimes it pays to reread the entire thing before you start writing again, but if I did that every time... especially with multi-part stories... I would never actually have time to write. It leads to random changes in tone across chapters and occasional plotholes the size of the Grand Canyon. A beta would probably help to resolve this issue, but I find myself too impatient after I've finished a part to my own satisfaction to actually wait for a beta to read it!

But I digress.

Working on their timeline wound up spawning plot bunnies. If I stretch my Time Lord senses I can feel a series somewhere in the wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey ball of possible futures. It would be a project the size of which I have never before attempted, but the timeline I wound up with just has so many stories worth writing hidden within it. It covers three thousand years, after all.

I shall have to think about this as I write the final part of GP, since it will affect how some of it gets written. The idea of Rose as a main character in the possible future series is a sticking point... her return into the GP-Universe would be an excellent story for the series, so I need to be careful what I do or do not say about her in GP.

For example, if she's a main character in the GP-Universe, why isn't she in the final part of GP? (I think, by this point, I've dropped enough hints that you all know Old!Jack's Doc will be there.) I'd have to rework the Jack-Doctor shared timeline to include her, as well, starting at whichever point she returns in.

The thought occurs that I can solve this by having her return be post-GP, but that causes plot problems of its own. Rose will be an immortal like Jack in this series if she's in it at all, and time runs differently in the universe she's been in. Will she come back older than both Jack and the Doctor combined? (Actually, that might be fun.) She's been away from them so long while they've spent millennia together, how will their dynamic change? How will each character react to seeing the other(s) again? Who will Old!Rose even be? (Old!Jack is a mellowed, wiser Jack. Old!Doc is a more stable, emotionally open Doctor.)

Also, if her return is post-GP, then she has nothing to do with the timeline I've already worked out for Jack and the Doctor. I can tell their story in a second fic, and then perhaps tell Rose's in a third? I have no details for Rose's story yet, only the above ramblings, and I'm not even sure yet how I want to tell the stories that come from the Jack-Doctor shared timeline. (One fic, several shorter fics?)

Am I just thinking too much?

There is lots for me to think about, as you can see. Actually, that rambling is not a bad example of what typically goes on in my mind when I start settling in to work on a plot bunny. Maybe you can consider it sort of a DVD extra for this blog: The Making of an Adaliafic. (Then I can feel like I'm giving you something worth your time, and not just me babbling into a text editor.)

So... does anybody have any thoughts or concerns to add? I'd like to hear what you think about all this, as well. :-)


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Mar. 24th, 2008 07:28 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad we're getting the Doctor from Jack's timeline :) Even if it sounds like I'm not getting the other thing I've been asking for *pouts*

You could cheat a little with Rose. You've said a few times that Jack and his Doctor have developed a telepathic side to their communication. What if Jack's been carefully monitoring his thoughts all along in case the Doctor picks up on things he shouldn't know about yet - such as the fact that Rose is back and travelling with him again? (The older Doctor could even congratulate Jack on managing to keep it secret the whole time).

Of course, for me the only bad thing about this scenario is that I prefer the three of them travelling together, so to have Rose back with the Doctor and Jack stuck in Torchwood is sad... :(
Mar. 24th, 2008 08:06 pm (UTC)
If you're pouting about (at least) a Ten/Old!Jack kiss... we (the characters and I) are currently in negotiations about that, and we'll see if it fits when I get down to actually writing it. I am sorry, but I just don't see Old!Jack really trying to trip Ten, or Ten really trying to trip Old!Jack. Ten's got other things on his mind, and Old!Jack would feel at least a little bit like he was taking advantage. So if they're going to kiss, it has to be in a more innocent context. Don't worry, though... there will be lots of Jack/Doctor in various combinations in the GP-Universe! :-)

I'm not so much worried about the lack of Rose in the first six parts of GP, for exactly the kind of reason you proposed. It's easily explainable. The problem would be why she's not with Old!Doc when he turns up in the last part, and why they don't mention her at all between themselves. (Which is necessary if she is not to be in GP at all. And I'd want her either there, or not in it all.) That's why I'm starting to like my second idea of having her come back after GP, so I can just avoid the problem.

As for the traveling arrangements... I completely agree, and it's another reason not to have Rose back until after GP is done. But Old!Jack is not really suck in Torchwood. He drifts back roughly once a century, the rest of the time he either travels around in space, or in time and space with the Doctor, or (being time-mobile himself in his most recent centuries) in time and space on his own. The idea is that he's a grown-up now, no longer a companion but rather a colleague.

If I write the return of Rose post-GP, the story will likely start with Old!Jack closing out his affairs at Torchwood for this century and looking up the Doctor.

If I'm gonna write the OT3, I'm gonna do it properly. :-)
Mar. 24th, 2008 08:35 pm (UTC)
I just don't see Old!Jack really trying to trip Ten, or Ten really trying to trip Old!Jack. Ten's got other things on his mind, and Old!Jack would feel at least a little bit like he was taking advantage.

I'm confused about what you mean here - trip>?

Old!Jack is not really suck in Torchwood. He drifts back roughly once a century, the rest of the time he either travels around in space, or in time and space with the Doctor, or (being time-mobile himself in his most recent centuries) in time and space on his own. The idea is that he's a grown-up now, no longer a companion but rather a colleague.

Ah, now that I like. And I also like your sharing of my preference for the three of them travelling together. Yay!

And of course: if Rose is already with the Doctor it would make little sense for her not to be in the final part of GP. The thing is, when I answered your question about that, I was imagining it as a return, rather than her arriving with olderDoctor because she's always with him.

But whichever way you do it I'm sure I'll love it :)
Mar. 24th, 2008 08:54 pm (UTC)
Trip, as in cause/convince another being to fall over (or into bed) with their legs spread... euphemistically, what Young!Jack tries to do to every sentient being he meets. The way I meant it was something between playful seduction and an actual desire for a closer (physical) relationship. I just can't see Ten and Old!Jack going there. ::shrug::

About Rose: I see what you mean. The more I think about the problem, though, the more I think I'm going to leave her out of GP and then later have her return post-GP. It just seems to be the simplest solution with the most room for the plot bunnies to grow and play.

Thanks for listening to my rambling about this. :-)
Mar. 24th, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC)
I just can't see Ten and Old!Jack going there. ::shrug::


But you know I'll read it and love it whatever you do :) Even if I do think that the two of them have been there for each other so long that... well, you know what I mean!
Mar. 28th, 2008 04:30 am (UTC)
Thank you for the vote of confidence! Makes it that much easier to trust my own craz ideas and actually get the written. :-)

About Old!Jack/Ten: I think that might be why I don't see it, though. From Old!Jack's POV, he and his Doctor have been there for each other that long. But Ten isn't really his Doctor any more, despite how much Jack loves all his Doctors, and Ten doesn't have the same history with Old!Jack as Old!Jack's current Doctor.

I really think, to Old!Jack, it would feel ten kinds of wrong. And Ten, as I said, has other things on his mind. The poor guy.

Perhaps when I post a bit more detail of the timeline I worked out this will seem less rambly and more like sound characterization for these two. But that, for reasons of spoilers, must wait until after I finish GP. :-)
Mar. 24th, 2008 09:49 pm (UTC)
I'm going to echo Wendy in part, just to say that I do like the idea of going full-out OT3. Now I'm assuming that you're going with immortal!Rose who manages to come back post-GP on her own (mostly because if the guys could've done it, I'd see them having done so already).

As for your characterisation of an older Rose, well, I'd see her as a far wiser version of herself, almost literally Ten-like (at the beginning of Ten's life, that is, almost oh boy lets go see the universe, yay!). She's seen a lot, but she still loves it, and she still loves the Doctor and Jack - if that makes sense? At least, that's my interpretation. Whatever you come up with, though, I'm sure will be brilliant :)
Mar. 28th, 2008 04:32 am (UTC)
Good point about Rose having to make it back on her own. ::feeds that to the baby plot bunnies::

I also think I might like the idea of Old!Rose as having turned a bit into happy!Ten. I need to nail down how old I want her to be, and then fit her into the idea of 'growing up' as an immortal that I'm starting to build before I can make any definite decisions, though.

Thank you for the input! The bunnies are hungry. :-)
Mar. 25th, 2008 01:54 am (UTC)
A GP series? That's the best news I've had all day! It sounds very epic. What if old!Jack already knows about Rose? Obviously with all the trauma the Doctor went through and because of timey-wimey things, he couldn't tell this Doctor right way? Either way, it's going to be amazing! I'm so excited over this idea! It's going to be epic and probably very difficult to write, but what an incredible project!
Mar. 28th, 2008 04:34 am (UTC)
We're talking at least two more stories the size of GP itself. But if the bunnies keep procreating there might wind up being more eventually. :-)

(I've never written anything quite that long before. Well... not successfully, anyway. It's a bit scary to contemplate. But also... strangely fun! Adventures in epic writing!)
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