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FIC: Growing Pains 6/7 - Guilt and Reason

Hello one and all! Guess how long I've been awake? That's right... OMIGOSH WAY WAY TOO LONG. But, I give you fic.

And a teaser in case the mods still haven't gotten to it by the time all you normal people are awake and see this...

Jack turned back to the toaster, and blinked at it.

It remained a toaster.

Sighing philosophically, Jack carefully disconnected the toaster from its power supply and turned it upside down over the dustbin. He shook it experimentally, deciding to ignore the ominous clunk that the dustbin subsequently emitted.

And since while that bit of text is amusing, it is also a sorry excuse for a teaser, here's another one...

The Doctor’s gaze dropped down to the sofa cushion between them, his expression going momentarily blank.

“That well, huh?” Jack said sympathetically.

“Trying not to think about it, actually,” the Doctor admitted, sounding almost guilty.

“It’s okay,” Jack reassured him. “You don’t have to fixate on it, you’re allowed to just spend a day relaxing and having fun. That’s pretty much the whole point, actually. But we probably ought to at least talk about that nightmare of yours.”

The Doctor’s face went blank again.

That's better, isn't it? This part is, as I said in the author's note for it on Teaspoon, somewhat epic... so much happens, such a wide range of emotional expression for this pair of characters. It was wonderfully fun to write and it's my favorite part so far.

But I already think the final part is going to be my favorite, overall. I am already bouncing in authorly glee over it, even though I've yet to write a word of it, because it's time to tie everything together and fill in the missing bits of this story.

I do have one question for those of you who are interested. I don't promise to follow your suggestions, if you have any, but I will certainly think about them carefully.

I could easily write Rose into the final part, as a fully involved character. It would require her immortality and an assumed Doomsday fix that will surely be Russelled fairly well by S4. It would make this officially an OT3 story, and I could see that working nicely.

But I can also see it just feeling like something that got tacked on at the end with little justification. The story that I'm trying to tell doesn't need Rose, and it's been all about the relationship between Jack and the Doctor up until now. There's no need to complicate it into an OT3 story.

Thoughts, anyone?


( 28 comments — leave a comment )
Mar. 21st, 2008 12:05 pm (UTC)
I'd leave it a Jack/Doctor story.
Just so you know, if you're wondering why hardly anyone is around, there's an LJ protest going on where people aren't posting entries for one day. We're about halfway through the 24 hours (gmt). The reason is that they're doing a lot of shady stuff to please the advertisers, and most recently have removed a bunch of search terms from the "most popular interests" page, including "fanfiction" and "bisexuality." It's kinda screwed up, so a lot of people decided that by not posting, we'd be able to change the posting statistics. This being a user-generated site, the advertisers need us, so hopefully the LJ staff will get the message and stop being stupid.

Waiting for your fic to load, anyway... I think you're helping me to deal with my ridiculous wibbling over a real life friend (I need to seriously stop). Please keep the writing coming :)
Mar. 21st, 2008 07:25 pm (UTC)
You do know that they've added those interests back again? Several days ago?

I'm not participating in the action, partly because I think it's a rather silly idea and not really justified by anything I've seen (and I've approved of some changes, such as requiring users to flag mature content), and mostly because a post on neadods's LJ made far more sense to me than anything else I've read on the subject. Not getting an account on InsaneJournal or anywhere else either - honestly, if it's not doing things LJ is now, such as bringing in more advertising, it will sooner or later, because it's a commercial enterprise too and that's how they survive.

*shrug* :)
Mar. 21st, 2008 09:37 pm (UTC)
I didn't hear that they'd added those interests back because I can't access them myself, as I don't have a paid account. But the bit about removing bisexuality as an interest really ticked me off. I think it's discriminatory and that just not posting for a day is a fair response to say "we noticed that, and we want you to notice us in turn."

For me, it's just a type of communication. I'm not leaving LJ or anything. I don't mind flagging content, and I perfectly understand the need for ads, but I do think they need to work on their public relations.
Mar. 21st, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
p.s. Adalia, wasn't trying to say you should be on it. I just thought since you aren't on LJ a ton you might not have heard about it and would wonder where everybody went?
Mar. 21st, 2008 10:27 pm (UTC)
Oh, I agree on both points. Leaving bisexuality out of searchable interests is extremely discriminatory and prejudicial, though I have to say that it's in keeping with a wide swathe of American opinion on different sexualities; witness Fred Thompson ranting about 'sodomites' on his presidential campaign website and not getting blasted for it that I could see. But it'd been added back to searchable interests by the time I heard about the fuss.

From what I see, though I don't read the LJ news pages all that often, they do listen to members at least some of the time. Bad decisions are getting corrected. But, yeah, it'd make a lot more sense if they consulted first rather than later.
Mar. 21st, 2008 11:39 pm (UTC)
I feel like kind of a jerk the way I came across in my initial comment on this post. I didn't mean it the way I sounded and I'm not all upset about the "strike" or anything. I just figure, might as well not post today, sort of in support of the strike and sort of for my own reasons. I went out and enjoyed a beautiful day and cool people. It was good :)

Come to think of it, both the people I was hanging out with were bisexual actually. And pretty. So it was a nice day ;)
Mar. 22nd, 2008 12:53 am (UTC)
You didn't come across like a jerk at all, don't worry about it!

I was aware of the strike, and the banned words, and the fact that they'd already been un-banned days ago... I just didn't particularly care.

I'm bisexual myself, and I agree that it was discriminatory of them to ban those words, and probably symptomatic of bigger problems in the philosophies of TPTB on LJ. I even believe that the strike might actually have sent a useful message. It was conceived on the sound basis that the users provide the content, and continue doing so at their own whim.

But... honestly... it's just LJ. And some of the changes, as you both said, aren't even bad ones.

There are people who care deeply, and I say more power to them and I hope they get what they're looking for. It's just not that big a deal from where I'm sitting. ::shrug::
Mar. 22nd, 2008 12:42 pm (UTC)
I'm glad. I was worried because sometimes, like everyone else probably, I don't convey my "tone" properly over the internet.
It's not like they're taking away anyone's free speech or being outright bigots or anything, so I agree it's not that big of a deal... but then neither was not posting for a day, so I figured, why not? My roommate was about on the same page, so we went to the mall and got a haircut and some fancy tea instead.
Mar. 22nd, 2008 08:58 pm (UTC)
That tone issue is the single reason why I probably overuse emoticons. I'll take seeming a bit like a silly teenager over accidentally inciting a nasty flaming any day. :-)

(See? There I go again with the smiley face...)

I contemplated not posting, and I wouldn't have posted if I hadn't finished that part of GP. But in that case the not posting would have been because I had nothing to post! Speaking of... ::goes off to work on the end of GP::
Mar. 22nd, 2008 10:01 pm (UTC)
Well, all things considered, I am glad you posted. I enjoyed the latest installment :)
(smiley face again, I think I'm the same way)
Mar. 22nd, 2008 02:00 am (UTC)
I'm glad to hear you had a good day :) Always nice to spend it with cool people!
Mar. 22nd, 2008 12:36 pm (UTC)
thanks ;)
It is. I am so lucky to have friends as excellent as mine.
Mar. 21st, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
I adore OT3 - much more than I do Rose/Doctor, Jack/Doctor or Jack/Rose separately.
But my first reaction (not having read the latest chapter because - arrgh - not yet validated) is that throwing Rose in at the end would be more than a bit random. As you said - tacked on; and I like it how it is.
Mar. 22nd, 2008 12:56 am (UTC)
At this point, the OT3 just seems more natural to me than any other arrangement of those characters. (I think this is largely the fault of wendymr and all her wonderful fic, not that I'm complaining!) But your first reaction matches my own when I first had the idea. Thanks for your input! :-)
Mar. 22nd, 2008 11:31 am (UTC)
I infinitely agree :P   *blames wendymr for everything OT3 related*

Read chapter 6, and loved it. The Doctor's nightmare, Jack getting it him out of it, the coral (still, again, she's-so-adorable) the flagitious abuse of Jack's kitchen appliances and the Doctor listening to Jack being old and wise - loved it all. Sad the Doctor's leaving soon; charmed by Jack noticing and letting him know it was okay. Am looking forward to the next chapter.   *is gleeful*
Mar. 22nd, 2008 09:11 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you enjoyed all the different aspects of this part! I really had a lot of fun writing it, since getting to work a little bit of DW flavored crack into an otherwise serious story is always fun. :-)
Mar. 21st, 2008 02:30 pm (UTC)
My suggestion? Write a sequel. Keep this story just Doctor/Jack and then switch to a sequel.

I do love this story, btw. (As I gushed on Tsp) Lovely stuff, as always.
Mar. 22nd, 2008 12:59 am (UTC)
Your sequel idea seems to be popular, but I'm not sure I have that much more to say about this story. (That may be why I was fairly certain adding Rose in the last part would feel forced.) Perhaps another plot bunny will eventually move into that (vaguely alternate) universe and set up shop, bringing Rose along for the ride...

Glad you're enjoying the story as it is, though! :-)
Mar. 21st, 2008 05:23 pm (UTC)
I kind of like the idea of Jack's older version of the Doctor popping by once the younger version of himself has gone and taking his relationship further with Jack. As if he had been waiting for three thousand years for this to happen for Jack so he could go ahead with things. It's just a random thought that popped into my head and I won't be offended if you take the story in a different direction, but it seems very Doctor like for him to take several millennia to realize he wants their relationship take that extra step. XD
Mar. 22nd, 2008 01:07 am (UTC)
You're actually about half right with those musings, so you shouldn't be too disappointed with the ending even though I don't plan to write any huge changes into the relationship I've already described between Old!Jack and his Doctor. :-)
Mar. 21st, 2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
I came in to say exactly the same as dark_aegis - funny how that seems to happen a lot ;) I love the OT3. I love Rose. I adore the three of them together and, given everything that's happened to the Doctor and Jack, I think they need her. So I want her involved... but I think it'd feel tacked on to this story. So make it a sequel :)

What I want in this one, as I said over on Teaspoon, is a goodbye kiss before the Doctor goes, and at least a scene with the Doctor in Jack's time, explaining why he did it - why he came so far into his future - and what Jack's help meant to him.
Mar. 22nd, 2008 01:14 am (UTC)
I largely agree about them needing Rose (due in no small part, I'm sure, to being introduced to the fanon OT3 largely through your fic!) but I think I'll be following everyone's advice and leaving her out of the last part of GP.

I'm waffling about the idea of a sequel, though, not quite sure I have that much more to say. I'll have to wait and see if a new plot bunny materializes.

As for your requests... one of them (and isn't it always the same with you people! lol) is easy enough to convince Jack and Ten to play along with, while the other I'm less sure about. Jack's Doctor has some story to tell before this is over, but he's yet to let me in on all of the specifics. You'll find out soon after I do... and possibly you'll also find that itch scratched in a slightly different way. :-)
Mar. 21st, 2008 08:04 pm (UTC)
I'd go with the sequel idea as well. You've done such a great job with this story. The focus has been Doctor/Jack, and I'd keep it that way. I agree with all wendymr's suggestions. Those are all questions that I'd love to be answered. All that being said, we all know I'd read your grocery list if you let me so write what you want! I can't wait to see what you come up with!
Mar. 22nd, 2008 01:21 am (UTC)
See my reply to her comment about her suggestions above...

The sequel is now simmering away on a back burner, waiting to see if there are any plot bunnies around to thicken the stew. (Hmmm... plot bunny stew... yay for food metaphors!)

I know I've said it before, but I'm so, so happy that you like my stories that much. It makes me feel all warm-fuzzy... like Jack-hugs and Doctor-grins, if that makes any sense! :-)

The final part is in progress... may or may not quite make the Sunday night deadline, but I feel pretty good about having written so much this week already. (I've written the beginning of that 'Meat' rewrite, though not quite enough to post it yet.) It's been a productive Spring Break!
Mar. 22nd, 2008 01:32 am (UTC)
*starts feeding your bunnies*

I'd LOVE to see some true OT3 from you. :) You know I'm not above begging. LOL

Aww! Jack-hugs and Doctor-grins! Those are both good things! I'm thrilled my reviews make you feel that way.

Eh, to hell with the deadline. You've accomplished so much this week! Walk tall, my friend!
Mar. 22nd, 2008 09:16 pm (UTC)
The OT3 has long since become the only natural pairgrouping for these characters in my mind. They just... fit, you know? I've got an entire sub-species of OT3 plot bunnies. Been ignoring them lately, due to other episode related projects like GP, but they'll make a comeback eventually. :-)

Now, if only I could be that productive with my take home midterm (due Tuesday).

Fic? Or midterm? Decisions, decisions... :-P
Mar. 22nd, 2008 03:24 am (UTC)
Hmm... Well I do like Rose... And I do like OT3... But I think this one would be best left with just the Doctor and Jack. The balance you've set up is so perfect so far that it would feel odd to have Rose show up (especially Rose out of her timeline).
Mar. 22nd, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC)
That's pretty much how I felt, but I wanted to see what you guys thought before I decided.

Though it wouldn't have been Rose out of her timeline, just Rose in an extended timeline. Immortal, eventually having found a way back into our Universe, and either back with the Doctor or maybe doing her own thing like Old!Jack. And we might still see her yet, since the sequal idea seemed popular.

Just not in this story, since I agree with what you said about the balance. (And I'm flattered that you think I've gotten it perfect!) Thanks for the feedback. :-)
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